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    I'm Italian, if that may help

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    afleetingspeck wrote:
    AlienXXX wrote:

    Girl: "I am a great fan of Depeche Mode. Have you heard their last album?"
    Boy: "Yeah. Did you know they mixed the whole thing on a Neve console and used a Fairchaild compressor on every track?"
    ... odd silence follows...

    I wouldn't be surprised if I'd some day be the boy in that story. smile)

    Or if that guy was me. “No I have not. I’m only interested in the two first albums.”

    And now over to “taste snobbism” and “the fact that they made better music between year X and X+n”…
    cool

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    Thanks escortmarius and zimbot,

    It sounds like traditional music, but that could be misleading (people still write traditional music!)

    I've take both points onboard. Also on reflection, I guess if I was performing and found recordings of my performance online without any attempt to contact me and ask, I'd be a bit peeved..

    I think it's useful to have this discussion here though as it will help future participants.

    So, I managed to track them down yesterday. They are based in Sicily. Anyone know a good translator?

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    AlienXXX wrote:

    Girl: "I am a great fan of Depeche Mode. Have you heard their last album?"
    Boy: "Yeah. Did you know they mixed the whole thing on a Neve console and used a Fairchaild compressor on every track?"
    ... odd silence follows...

    I wouldn't be surprised if I'd some day be the boy in that story. smile)

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    My music tends to come in waves, and I find myself in a space where I would like to create once more.

    It has been a couple years, and I have a new laptop now. It is running Windows 8 (yes I can almost hear the grumbles from here) and as is common with Win8 it is incompatible with my oldschool Acid (2.0). Thus it would seem I can't create music anymore...

    Does anyone know any reliable/stable open source music composition programs, or any hacks/fixes to get any Acid programs working on my machine? I would very much so prefer an open-source program that is similar, or a way to make what I have work over buying something else or now.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated!

    ~Xenith

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    I recommend not posting it until you track down the origin of the music and assure that you are cleared to do so. Copyright is tricky, but generally more protective than most people think.

    If the performance was of a copyrighted work (as opposed to something in the public domain), then the copyright holder can retain certain rights regarding a recording of the performance. Reproductions of the recording are normally sold and a certain fixed amount of money is due as royalty to the copyright owner, often paid through a proxy such as (in the US) Harry Fox Agency (see their web site for lots of information). People who wish to keep their royalty income secure will often refuse to grant permission for having the works on the internet for free download, including freesound. The fact that you are not charging money for your recording of the performance does not in any way take away the owner's rights. Perhaps it even makes it worse. On the other hand, some writers and artists are more than willing to gain exposure in this way, and yet may require that certain attribution be given so that any interested party can follow up with them. Also, if the work is "tainted" enough by crowd noise, etc., then you might not have much trouble obtaining direct permission from the copyright holder -- you just have to figure out who that is, and ask. I've obtained free permission like this in the past for limited-distribution CD's, but even then the agency overseeing the rights was quite concerned that it never be posted to the internet (and that was *not* a "tainted" case but a studio recording of professional musicians). Beyond the musical work's copyright, I am not certain about what rights the actual performers may have regarding the recording -- there may be none since it was a public performance, but perhaps someone here knows and can clarify.

    The US courts introduced the concept of "Fair Use" by judicial ruling, so it is not spelled out in law but in guidelines given by court rulings. It would allow you to post a short snippet, perhaps a few seconds, from your recording. To post the entire work would most definitely not fit "fair use" by any stretch.

    And besides that, the moderators would reject a recording of a song since it is music, per se, which is not what freesound is for. SoundCloud and certain others might be an appropriate alternative, but again, get the copyright issue pinned down first.

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    Hi spoonbender,

    I think if you put it like that it would be oke..
    Upload it as a Field-recording... give the place and time in the description.
    Describe the sound as good as possible... name of the castle etc.
    Shouldnt be a problem I think.. but Im not a modarator.

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    Hi,

    I wonder if you can help me on this. I recently captured an amazing recording of some traditional Sicilian musicians performing inside a castle courtyard. The atmosphere and reverb is amazing and I'd love to share it.

    What process do you go through? Is it fair game if they are in public and mixed with the sound of the crowd and the space in general? Or should I find out who they were somehow and ask their permission?

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    Nice work!

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    2777 - Feet

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    jamesabdulrahman wrote:
    As for me... well, music is a hobby, but I’d like to go commercial with it. Who knows if that will ever happen.

    Good luck and hopefully you can do that whilst keeping it fun!

    You are right when it comes to gear and method purists:
    Other than music theorists and tech heads, 99.99% of people listening to a track do not know and do not want to know if a Fairchild compressor was used on the vocal or if it is composed in a pentatonic scale with an odd 7/4 tempo signature.
    In fact that would be a conversation killer. Here is an example
    Girl: "I am a great fan of Depeche Mode. Have you heard their last album?"
    Boy: "Yeah. Did you know they mixed the whole thing on a Neve console and used a Fairchaild compressor on every track?"
    ... odd silence follows...

    Speaking of making music and fun.
    We often run some friendly dares here at Freesound. There is one ongoing at the moment. Head over to the "Dare the Community" forum to know more...

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    Of course, if people just want to collect instruments and drool over them, then who am I to judge.

    I guess what I dislike is less about that and more about elitism and materialism. The idea that unless you have spent thousands on ‘proper’ gear (read: vintage/analog/expensive/all of the above) you’re not in the club and your music means nothing. I think that’s a case of wrong priorities.

    If one person composes with a version of Cubase LE that came bundled with a soundcard and some MIDId up toy keyboards, and another has a room full of vintage Moogs, three TR-909s and the only Yamaha DX-1 known to exist, good for both of them. Up to the point where either of them has an ego trip about their choice of instruments.

    At the end of the day, I think musicians generally should avoid confusing means with ends. That applies to theory as much as instruments, really.

    As for me... well, music is a hobby, but I’d like to go commercial with it. Who knows if that will ever happen.

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    jamesabdulrahman, this is a great discussion. Thanks for starting the thread.

    Here is another thought...

    1) There are really two basic types of people who make music.
    2) Those who do it commercially and those who do it as a hobby.

    A good deal of discussions takes place when those in type 1 try to tell those in type 2 what to do smile
    (or vice-versa, although that is much more rare)

    As a friend here on Fresound reminded me recently on a PM discussion. For those of us in type 2 "it has to be fun".
    If you take the fun out of it, then what is the point? - If I want something that bores me or annoys me, I already have a job, thanks...

    So learning musical scales and stuff probably is a very good idea for those in type 1.
    For those in type 2... well, if you find it interesting, yeah, great.
    I find it daunting and off-putting. I was never musically trained...
    I am more likely to spend my time learning about synthesis or how a particular effect works. - I find that much more interesting and appealing.
    Although I have made a slow stumbling effort into learning scales and stuff like that. Progress there is much more slow and painful.

    At the end of the day, the music I make is for my own consumption. So, I guess no harm done.
    And, to be honest, to "have fun", you don't even have to be very good at it. Honestly, you just need to enjoy it.

    So, what about the guy that buys a vintage synth (or guitar) that he can't play just because he likes looking at it and drooling? (or Honda bike, or a Ferrari, or something else...)
    Well, let him be. If that is his thing and is not harming anyone. Let him be smile

    At the end of the day, it is great to have all these different people and ideas.
    Some of the best collabs I ever made were with guitar players. I can't play a guitar myself (would not even know which side of it to hold...) So they could do things I could never do on my own.
    Hopefully my approach was equally new and refreshing to them.
    These collabs were great fun and the results (in my opinion) where fantastic.

    So, if you are a hardware gear slut, my advice is to find a computer geek and partner up for a collab.
    If you are a computer geek, find a guitar player, a drummer or a modular synth aficionado...
    Vive la difference!

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    Y'see, I'm a pro, I own a copy of audacity

    +1

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    Interesting points all round AlienXXX...

    I certainly can’t say I’m immune from the ‘historical interest’ angle. To be honest, what swung me into buying my Cyclone TT-303 (as opposed to something like a Korg Volca Bass) was the fact that when I was a teen noodling with early music software on Windows, I was utterly obsessed with the TB-303 because of its status as one of the foundations of techno. So, when I found that it was possible to buy an exact copy of the granddaddy of acid for a fraction of the cost of the original (less, in fact, as the one I got was a factory second) I found it hard to say no.

    Sometimes I have to slap myself when it comes to ‘gear lust’, as is true of most people. Lately I was drooling over that new Casio synth (their belated re-entry into the professional market). Then I realised: wtf man, you’ve got the Roland V-Synth you lusted after as a teenager already and you haven’t yet used it on a serious track. Probably because I’ve been utterly blown away by Calf Organ and Dexed used as LV2 plugins in Ardour.

    I suppose the ultimate golden rule I have regarding musical instruments is that you can have the most awe-inspiring sonic arsenal in human history, but if you have no idea how to actually write music, it means precisely zilch. You can buy a vintage Steinway, but it’s pointless unless you can actually play the piano. This is what I mean when I say that learning chord structures, exotic types of scales, advanced rhythm techniques and what not is cheaper and unlikely to end up on eBay six months later.

    Regarding sample and loop-based music: it’s not something I would know how to do myself and I’m always impressed by people who can make it work, because I am too much of a control freak. A lot of what I’m working on at the moment involves loops I’ve created myself and tried to make sound sampled (yes, I’m weird). I have to admit I’ve never understood the ‘destroy all presets’ thing, although I guess it helps with really getting to know the heart and soul of an instrument.

    And yes, as for mixing it up, that’s as good a rule for music as in many other areas of life.

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    gis_sweden has a point: there is a lot to collect and actually various reasons why people collect stuff.
    There are actually a lot of people (with a lot of money) that collect art that they don't necessarily like. Why?
    Well, some could say "I don't like Picasso, but I recognize he is a major figure in modern painting. So I have a Picasso in my collection, even if I don't like it, because it is a fundamental artist."
    Others could say "I don't like Picasso, but investing in a Picasso is a sure investment. I did it for the value of the piece, rather than because I like it."
    And some stupid rich kid might say "I bought a Picasso because all my friends had one..."

    Jokes aside, thre are collectors of synths that do it for the interest in the history of music. Rather than for their interest or ability in playing the things.
    Just recently I had a long conversation with a guy that collects guitars and vinyl records.
    Although he does play the guitar, he surprised me at some point in the conversation. He does not collect vinyl records for the music on them, but rather for the cover artworks. Go figure!...

    At the end of the day there is no right or wrong.. or is there?
    If I had enough money I would like to build a massive modular synth. Now, I doubt I would make much music with it. I would probably just get too distracted creating ridiculously complicated patches to make equaly ridiculous (and useless) sounds. - But it would be FUN!

    As most pre-conceptions, any pre-conception about music is bad.
    A few long years ago I was veemently against people who used loops to make music. I though it was cheating. It was not making music at all. Just taking stuff someone else made and justaposing and/or overlapping...
    But then there is beat slicing, re-sequencing, EQ-ing, re-pitching, re-sampling...

    At some point I used to think the same about people who used pre-sets. I mean you have these software synths in your computer so powerful that Moog would have killed for... You could create sound! New sound! Any sound! The world could be your oyster... and instead you just go and play sounds someone else made and everyone else has: the factory presets, for God sake!
    But then again... if you make a good mellody and a good beat and arranje it all nicely, well mixed, etc... That could be all you need!

    Personally, I have tried to do a bit of everything within my budget: I have some cheap analogue gear (like a Korg Monotron Duo), plenty of free plugin synths and effects and some paid ones also, a recorder (Zoom H1), some cheap webmics and a couple of decent dynamic mics.
    And then I have a variety of other gear, like a multi-effects pedal, a few toys and radios (some of them broken). Even one or 2 simple circuits I build myself.
    Sample libraries (mostly Freesound)...
    Almost forgot to list my piezo mics and coil pickups... smile

    These things tend to come into their best when they are mixed together.
    For example, I would not make a music track exclusively on the Monotron Duo. But you would be amazed at what can be created with such a simple and cheap synth and 2 or 3 free effect plugins...