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    If figure 8 microphones are expensive in general, they are not an option for me. The Audiotechnica has been a canidate, but this specific microphone was the one that I was refering too, about the review that said self-noise was too high. Therefore I have forgotten it.

    I quote the review:
    "Because field recordists may be called on to record very quiet sounds — for example, the murmur of a creek, leaves rustling across a lawn, or a clock ticking in a quiet house — mic self-noise is an important consideration. The mic preamp you use can contribute significantly to noise, so I tested the AT835ST using an outstanding and very quiet mic pre: a Grace Designs Lunatec V2.

    The AT835ST uses electret condenser capsules — capsules that tend to be noisier than a true condenser (that is, one with an externally polarized capacitor). The AT835ST performed about as I expected for its reasonable price: it was somewhat noisy. Therefore, it would not be my first pick for recording really quiet sources; for louder applications, however, it is sufficiently quiet."
    http://emusician.com/mics/emusic_audiotechnica_atst/

    Another I have considered is Edirol CS-50, also a stereo, with 18 in self-noise. That is not much up from ME 64 with its 16.

    I have now found your many recordings in here! And I'll have a walk among a few of the ME66 ones. They can give me an idea as good as I can get through my own brief testing this weekend. If you want to give me some more suggestions to listening, you're welcome. I'm at your autumn recordings now, because that are close to what I am going to record myself. Your words about a kind of "strident" sound I can understand from what I hear. How does it work to equalize it afterwords? Is there any more bass to level up than I can hear for instance in http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/samplesViewSingle.php?id=24652 ?

    Funny what you said about the hearing-self-noise-syndrom. It seems that one uconsious can choose both to hear and not hear it. After all that's how our senses work anyway. But of course, at a certain level one can't "choose" anymore.

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    sverremac

    Still, to go from 10 to 16 dB in self noise... it is a bit.. Out of your experience with silent nature, have you found a general limit for acceptual self-noise? I have read reviews that tells over 20 dB is far too much. I know for sure, as you say, there are more variables, but still.

    It's funny, on this issue of self-noise I remember one comment I read time ago at the nature recordist group. A guy wrote ' You generally don't pay attention to the self-noise of your mic... until you listen to it for the first time, usually trying to record an owl at night. From that moment onwards noise is always there. No matter what you do, you can't forget it'. Well, I can tell you the author of this comment knew very well what he/she was talking about: happened to me last month! The 'guilty' sample is this one: http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/samplesViewSingle.php?id=33719
    In short, I had to filter hiss from ME66 in post as it spoiled the whole recording. So yes, even the allegedly 'quiet' ME66 has noticeable selfnoise once you identify it and learn to differentiate it from the noise of wind, moving leaves, etcetera. And as usual the only way to overcome the problem is... to increase signal level (i.e., get closer to source), or shifting to really quiet mics (like the MKHs, but that' s another league as regards price).

    sverremac

    I understand another way to make stereo of a pair, is to combine a cardiodid with a "8 figure" microphone. Some stereo "shot guns" are made this way. I'm not very confident with that, but this could be a way to combine two different capsules and still get the stereo.

    You mean Mid-Side stereo, I guess. Yes, that's my setup right now using MKH60 as mid and a figure-8 MKH30 as side mic. Arggg... damn expensive... :x The Audiotechnica AT835st also uses the same principle, it combines one shotgun+one figure-8 capsule into a single mic body. Hey wait, that stereo mic might be of interest for you, check it !

    But remember, not even very expensive mics compare to getting closer smile

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    dobroide

    My main concern with ME66, for example, is that I *know* for sure the sound is a bit 'strident'. This is simply natural, as shotguns tend to exaggerate high frequencies to some extent.

    I'm not sure I would like a stereo recording in which the two channels were from ME66... Too high-pitched for my taste :roll: Of course the cardiod capsule in the K6 system isn't completely flat either, but I think the outcome should sound more natural. Just an opinion.

    Saludos

    Thank you dobroide, this is useful! I have heard a simular opinion about the sound of the ME-66 before. A German said it was not considered as a good mic for nature purpuse in his country. The manager from Sennheiser said the ME 66 where much used in wildlife recording in UK. Your opinion is worth listening to. One way too see it, is that the "strigent" sound could be handled with equalizer in the after-work. But as I understand you (and microphones...), the difference goes futher than that.

    Still, to go from 10 to 16 dB in self noise... it is a bit.. Out of your experience with silent nature, have you found a general limit for acceptual self-noise? I have read reviews that tells over 20 dB is far too much. I know for sure, as you say, there are more variables, but still.

    I understand another way to make stereo of a pair, is to combine a cardiodid with a "8 figure" microphone. Some stereo "shot guns" are made this way. I'm not very confident with that, but this could be a way to combine two different capsules and still get the stereo.

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    sverremac
    If the ME 64 is more omnidirectional, it will kind of overlap the built in microphones I already have in my zoom H4. The H4 works very well at "close ups" when sound is loud enough, like a cople of centimeters from the water in a river the other night. The trick with the H4 is to keep record level under a certain step to avoid noise. The H4 I will replace with something more sophisticated if this really takes off.... Is the sensitivity and low noise really as good with ME 64 as with ME 66?

    I had one ME62 (omni) in the past but never owned the ME64, sorry.
    But note that capsule choice is not just a matter of selfnoise/sensitivity, nor of the width of the stereo image you get. More importantly, capsule type has a great impact on the 'quality' of the sound. My main concern with ME66, for example, is that I *know* for sure the sound is a bit 'strident'. This is simply natural, as shotguns tend to exaggerate high frequencies to some extent.

    I'm not sure I would like a stereo recording in which the two channels were from ME66... Too high-pitched for my taste :roll: Of course the cardiod capsule in the K6 system isn't completely flat either, but I think the outcome should sound more natural. Just an opinion.

    Saludos

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    Thank you dobroide!

    I happend to bump into the application manager of Sennheiser UK at another forum here. He says ME 66 works fine in double mount, but that you need a sharp angle between the two.

    You just have to tell me how cardioid ME 64 works in isolating other sounds, compared to the shot-gun ME 66. I am looking for soundscapes, so to isolate for instance a bird totally is not my main goal. But still I could use some good direction, and focus. I look for small sounds... That is my motivation for shot-gun mic.

    If the ME 64 is more omnidirectional, it will kind of overlap the built in microphones I already have in my zoom H4. The H4 works very well at "close ups" when sound is loud enough, like a cople of centimeters from the water in a river the other night. The trick with the H4 is to keep record level under a certain step to avoid noise. The H4 I will replace with something more sophisticated if this really takes off.... Is the sensitivity and low noise really as good with ME 64 as with ME 66?

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    sverremac
    I am very close to buy two Sennheiser ME 66 shot-gun microphones. I plan to use them in dual mounting for stereo. It is a bit unusual to mount shot-gun mics in pairs, but field recorders do use it. They can not be mountet in wide angle form each other, just a bit angled, near to parallel.

    Anyway, I would be glad to hear from anyone who have some experience with this kind of use. I am going to test before buing and it could be nice to know more what to look for.

    My motivation for buing two shot-gun mics rather than one stereo, is mostly lower price and loself-noise in ME66. My use is for field recording of often silent soundscapes.

    Thank you for any advices! smile

    Hi,

    been using ME66 as my main mic in nature field work for the last year (first for mono recordings, then as mid mic in M/S setups), so I can say I know it first hand. And your idea is surprising to me, meaning it never crossed my mind before weirdhock: My first thought is this may result into 'hollow in the middle' recordings... Although on the other hand the polar pattern of ME66 is wider than most people think, so it *might* work.

    But I don't really undesrtand the choice of the ME66, why don't you pair two cardioid ME64? Seems to me a more logical. Self-noise and sensitivity are very similar to that of ME66 and as regards price the cardioid is more affordable. Actually I'm thinking of selling my ME66 to experiment with spaced omnis/cardiodid.

    Saludos

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    I am very close to buy two Sennheiser ME 66 shot-gun microphones. I plan to use them in dual mounting for stereo. It is a bit unusual to mount shot-gun mics in pairs, but field recorders do use it. They can not be mountet in wide angle form each other, just a bit angled, near to parallel.

    Anyway, I would be glad to hear from anyone who have some experience with this kind of use. I am going to test before buing and it could be nice to know more what to look for.

    My motivation for buing two shot-gun mics rather than one stereo, is mostly lower price and low self-noise in ME66. My use is for field recording of often silent soundscapes.

    Thank you for any advices! smile

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    Hi.

    I am looking for a female voice either saying or singing the following words.

    'I have become like everyone I misunderstood for the longest time. I am human afterall'

    I will leave the style up to you!!!!

    Really hope someone can help and thanks in advance. smile

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    Ah, no.... bad idea.
    If you "grabbed them" from websites, we can't be sure the licenses will be compatible, so, they can't be added to freesound.

    - bram

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    That makes sense. Until there's more than one it's not much of a pack, is it?

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    I have the same problem..

    But the pack name will appear when there is 2 or more
    samples related to the pack cool ...

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    I've been having problems uploading using Firefox, so went back to the old Explorer. That worked. I don't know why though.

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    Its a firewall. :wink:

    Inchadney

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    Sure...will do. I grabbed them off various websites, so the quality is not always great. I'll clean them up a bit this weekend and then upload.

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    Hello on behalf of Radio Zero (see the url radio.ist.utl.pt) in Lisboa, Portugal. Were a small station broacasting on the web and in the campus through speakers (we are at the University). Were looking for people who wan't to do interesting stuff with radio and a couple of things jumped to mind involving freesounders. If anyone is interested please send me a message or e-mail.

    1- 1 minute radio pieces. We wan't those to place between the shows
    2 - weekly (bi-weekly) 30/60/90/120 minutes program of sound collage.

    Anyone up for it? We are open minded, if you have any other idea please fell free to expose it.

    All the best,

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    spt3125, wim and yeonil,

    Erm, I'm truly sorry for loosing track of this... Could you please -all three- send your preferred t-shirt (see the freesound t-shirt shop) + your postal address to freesound AT iua DOT upf DOT edu so I can get all three of you a t-shirt?? wink

    - bram

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    bhuddles,

    any chance of posting the languages you already have? It would be great to have sample packs like that on freesound!
    I could record one in dutch, spanish and catalan for you

    - bram

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    Hi,

    I have no idea what Zone alarm is, but I'm glad to hear that it's working okay now. tongue

    Greg

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    Here we are then. Not sure if there's anything suitable, but I hope so.

    http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/samplesViewSingle.php?id=34614
    http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/samplesViewSingle.php?id=34613
    http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/samplesViewSingle.php?id=34611

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    I'm happy to hear your honey will be with you sooner than later. Love should not have to wait!

    To be consistent with the other recordings, let's just do "Good Morning", and again....thanks.

    Any takers for italian, spanish, or any of the african dialects? Swahili anyone??