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    Wanted something as a warm up and this fit the bill.

    http://www.freesound.org/people/tekgnosis/sounds/320854/

    Creative Commons 0 / no attribution required.

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    Actually, there is something users could do themselves to improve the licence thing. Say you're uploading a sound under the attribution licence you could keep the sound description reletively short and then, in a seperate papagraph write:

    This sound by law has to be attributed if used. Please attribute it to "PapercutterJohn at Freesound.org" or whatever is applicable.

    Doing this would at least clearly point out what is supposed to happen and, more importantly, clearly tell them how to easily do it.

    @jamesabdulrahman Yes, Funnily enough I'm not generally a forums person, but this one has sucked me in with the quality of its user's thinking smile

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    You‘re very right John. People don’t understand the word free, given the ‘no cost/liberty’ way the word is overloaded in English, and explaining that simply confuses them more. (People also don’t understand the implications of the word even when it is restricted to liberty, if post-19th century politics are to be believed, but that’s a whole other can of worms.)

    This isn’t something that is easy to change, especially when it cooperates with the fact that people do not realise how restrictive the letter of copyright law is, while at the same time believing whatever is made available on the Internet is public domain and there for the taking.

    It would take a pretty huge feat of social engineering to change this style of thinking. It would also need certain well-known architects of ‘free’ content culture who think that flagrantly flouting copyright is a good way of protesting against its abuse to maybe think again about a strategy that essentially writes their opponents’ propaganda for them.

    Not that I’m in favour of the status quo — I think copyright is a necessary evil, but it really doesn’t need to be as evil as it is.

    Freesound is indeed popular. May it last a thousand years. The forum is buzzing enough for me, because even though we don’t have hundreds of active posters, people who do post tend to be intelligent and articulate enough to have interesting discussions.

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    4401 - robotic

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    Headphaze wrote:
    It's not a good idea to force public domain licenses on authors, that would be disastrous.

    I agree, it would! You wouldn't have many site users that's for sure! My point really was that maybe some people don't even notice the licence part and just see the word free. You'll never beat that one.

    Not worth even trying, but it would account for some of the people who use sounds but don't bother with sticking to the licence.

    @AlienXXX My thoughts about the rating system are that rating is fine, people like to do it, but perhaps you should be made to comment at the same time and not be able to be anonymous when rating. That may have an effect of making them think more carefully when rating, or enable the moderators to see who is just rating negatively for fun.

    One thing to seriously consider is that the site is massively popular. It's not like it's broken and not working. So making changes, even to the rating system might have an unpredicted negative affect. Small changes are good, but major changes are very unpredictable. So personally I'd consider linking the ratings to comments as a better idea than discarding the rating altogether.

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    PapercutterJohn wrote:
    It's just occurred to me that as the site is called Freesound, maybe it should be for public domain uploads only (not a serious suggestion but a valid thought). After all, any other licence is actually not "free". Perhaps this contributes to people grabbing stuff and not attributing. A free sound is by implication there for the taking.

    Well by definition CCBY/NC are "free", it's just conditional but doesn't involve monetary gain on the part of the author. I see where you're getting at though.

    It's not a good idea to force public domain licenses on authors, that would be disastrous.

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    It's just occurred to me that as the site is called Freesound, maybe it should be for public domain uploads only (not a serious suggestion but a valid thought). After all, any other licence is actually not "free". Perhaps this contributes to people grabbing stuff and not attributing. A free sound is by implication there for the taking.

    I agree with AlienXXX that most people probably can't remember where they downloaded it from in the first place!. My decision to go for public domain was because I read a thread about someone nicking sounds and putting them on youtube with a donation button. I started to get really angry about it, but then thought, is it really worth getting upset about? Then I was listening to someone elses public domain sound and a comment said it had been used in a professional record that can be downloaded at iTunes. It was so good I downloaded it! I thought "If that was my sound being used in a professional record I would be so thrilled!" That's not likely to happen if they have to credit me.

    The interesting thing though is that since making all my tracks public domain I've stopped caring if anyone else makes money out of them. After all, I'm not going to, I wouldn't know how to, so if someone else has taken time to aquire that knowledge, they've earned their money in a way. I think the background worry is that I'd think I was a mug if someone made big bucks out of a sound I uploaded. Frankly, it isn't going to happen is it.

    One thing I should qualify though is I'm not a sound engineer. Some of you people put a lot of work into your sounds. I absolutely understand you'd be mad if someone took your work and made dosh out of it (I'm a professional artist. Copyright is taken 100 percent seriously, so I understand). As for my recordings though, I just notice a sound is happening, check the record level and hit the record button. So yes, I understand, at my level the arguement is totally different to many of the other Freesound users.

    @Alienxxx Nice to know I bring good and fresh ideas. That'll be a first for me!

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    AlienXXX wrote:
    Realistically, we cannot police the internet and the Universe, looking for un-attributed use of our sounds or other violations of the licenses on our sounds.
    If we cannot deal with that, then maybe we should not upload.

    Although most of my uploads are released as CCBY, I actually really don't care all that much if people attribute me or not; call me crazy. I only get precious about it when the sound is being used commercially.

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    I wish everyone had such a relaxed approach!

    The truth is that, despite our efforts and those of many others, many people still do not understand and do not care about licenses.
    All they want is a sound for their latest cartoon/school project/etc.
    People making music should know better, but hey some of them may be 10 year olds with access to a PC. - They have access to the technolocy, but they are not mature enough to understand licenses.
    Many others, really just don't care. Plain and simple. This is not just generation "now" it is also generation "free" - for them everything on the internet is free and up for grabs.
    Those that download all their music from illegal sites will not care about ripping out sounds from youtube or other places. Freesound is just easier (sounds are searcheable and easy to download in high quality wav or flac formats).

    Each of us needs to realise that the sounds that we put here are free for people to take without giving anything back. Realistically, we cannot police the internet and the Universe, looking for un-attributed use of our sounds or other violations of the licenses on our sounds.
    If we cannot deal with that, then maybe we should not upload.

    The CC licenses are, essentially, a matter of goodwill. As all goodwill, they are subject to abuse.
    We can debate the moral and/or legality of it, but it is academic.

    Back to your initial point. There are many different user types at Freesound.
    Some are just passing by. They create an account to download the sounds they need at that point in time and then never come back.
    There are also people that download sounds they find cool. They are not organized, they throw all of these sounds into their hard-drive and then one day when (if) they actually use it they have no idea where it came from. This makes it difficult for them to attribute, especially if they have renamed the file.

    Your point is actually a very good one:
    It is not the first time that the sound rating system is criticised BUT this is the first time that a consequence (or side-effect) has been pointed out that is actually very relevant for Freesound. I am going to bring this up to the site admins. They can analyse the data at the Freesound level. If they do that and determine that the current rating system is actually detrimental they are likely to remove it or replace with another system.
    So you may be a newbie - but you seem to bring good anf fresh ideas.

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