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    We need your help: participate in the Audio Commons survey


    Dear Freesounders,

    As part of the Audio Commons Initiative (that we introduced in this blog post), we’re rolling out a survey to gain insights into how creative users interact or wish to be able to interact with Creative Commons (CC) audio content. We’d like to get feedback from sound designers, musicians, sound engineers, game audio developers and, in general, from anyone working with CC audio content.

    You can participate by accessing this url: https://goo.gl/U8mAz9

    The objective of the Audio Commons initiative is to promote and facilitate the reuse of CC audio content in production environments. This includes the development of new technologies for annotating and organising sound samples and music pieces, the development of technologies to support easy licensing procedures of CC audio content, and the development of tools to allow easy access to CC audio content within existing production environments such as a DAWs or video editors. Freesound is playing a big role in this initiative as, together with Jamendo, we will be the first repository of CC audio content to be part of the initiative. Therefore, the success of the Audio Commons Initiative is the success of Freesound wink

    Please participate, your opinion is very important to us smile

    Thanks!!!

    frederic
    the freesound team
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    Unfortunately, I almost quit using CC-licensed material. Except for CC0/public domain. It may sound strange to post this here on Freesound but for me it turns out that it does not work any more to work with CC. I'm somewhere in the middle grounds, I can't afford to give away my music under terms of CC, but I also don't make a big deal with selling stuff. My attitude has shifted over the last couple of years, and now I almost entirely do without CC. When I use samples in a live setup, is it commercial, or isn't it? What when I get lousy 150€/night playing with a duo, using samples, can I afford to a) pay the copyright holder for this commercial use b) take the effort to ask everybody for permission c) find a way to give credit to all those countless people during the live show?

    Licensing my music under terms of any CC doesn't buy me anything, there's no fame to be gained in the nowadays-internet where mass media have become media masses and you'd have to run marketing campaigns to get the necessary attention for your give-aways. Plus, the average recipient simply doesn't seem to care about all of this. You're there when you're in iTunes, otherwise you are nowhere. License? Who cares? (And, as anywhere else, being in iTunes simply means you are existent at all, but not necessary that being noticed.)

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    DrNI wrote:
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    Plus, the average recipient simply doesn't seem to care about all of this.
    ...snip

    My bet you're right wink

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    I just completed the survey as best I could. Not being a huge downloader, more of a contributor at times. It doesn't really matter to me, the searching/finding process is on a personal level, and as it stands, it works fine.

    Ah, I'm not looking for lots of downloads on my sounds, but, it is nice at the same time, and I can't say that I'm not flattered or useless.

    A personal thought that many will disagree with: just make the whole thing CC0 and get on with your life. But perhaps we're a few decades away from that kind of thinking. Who cares if you're noticed or recompensed? I'm not paying shit to anyone. Does Beethoven? And there is your future. Nothing. Licenses are nonsenses.

    The only important thing is that you enjoy what you do and that others enjoy it also. Then you go to sleep.

    Trouble runs, far away, in the night.
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    you have to be deluded to think u will get credit or notice every time your sound is used.

    if u put it on the internet - you better expect its going to be used..

    agree with the comment - just put everything up as creative 0 or dont bother.

    I'm not anywhere near a top downloaded sound on this site - I think my most downloaded sound is 30000 times..

    I had about 30 thanks yous - and possible 1 maybe 2 credits.. The thank yous I do appreciate - the credits - I think of them as thankyous but I'm not concerned about them at all

    I dont care at all who uses my stuff - I have found a few time saving sounds on here.. mostly the creative 0's - if its not - its gotta be super hard to find and super well recorded before I use it - and I will ask permission - but the producers I work for would think I am crazy if I asked for credit for the door close 45 mins in..

    i think the name is the thing.. freesound.. given freely

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    Well put Martian. And I'd like to add: (or should that be a semi colon?) the amount of times I've been attributed for CC0 is amazing. People can be amazing.

    In saying all that, this is way off topic and this thread is more about helping creative people discover and find new sounds for their work. A little digression doesn't hurt though. Also, as a reply to DrNI, CC can be a hindrance to the creative process. Even if it's just an atfer thought; it doesn't mean anything.

    Yep, free is the thing. And oh shit, no offense to you those who choose a different license. That's free also.

    Trouble runs, far away, in the night.
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    toiletrolltube wrote:
    just make the whole thing CC0 and get on with your life.

    You're right, I do disagree (politely). smile

    Some of us put a lot of time and effort into the sounds we make, a professional creative process that would usually get us money to pay bills if it were commissioned. I could easily just collate libraries to sell and scrap giving things away for free conditionally. But alas, I expect the decency of people to attribute me to my artistic works; is this so much to ask?

    I will forfeit certain things away into the public domain, which I have done. These are usually things that aren't as valuable or took little time to make.

    Anyway, we digress...


    I am the thing that goes bump in the night...

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    Headphaze, it was just me and one of my moments, I'm not being judgmental. Me too. I've put many hours into some of my sounds, sometimes a whole week, other times a few minutes. I accept that we're all coming from different places and points of view. "just make the whole thing CC0 and get on with your life." is just me shooting off at the mouth.

    I only wish I could create sounds professionally for a living, but that would be too much pressure for me, and perhaps that is my problem.

    Again, I'm not judging, I don't care. I just look at Beethoven and he's silent on the matter. Yes, these are things I should not speak of here, and best left to opinions on my blog; if I ever reopen that nonsense.

    Trouble runs, far away, in the night.
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    toiletrolltube wrote:
    I just look at Beethoven and he's silent on the matter.

    LOL probably because he's long dead tongue

    Jokes aside. You can voice your opinion, there's nothing wrong with that and by all means I encourage it. But do expect a counter argument to be put forth. Just for the record I don't feel judged, I just felt it necessary to reason with my approach to using this service for publicising my work.

    We are all entitled to use the site how we want, with any moral standpoint, so long as it abides by the Terms of Service of course, and is not unjust toward the content creators.

    This is all I'll say now because this thread is for another specific discussion.

    Regards to you wibby


    I am the thing that goes bump in the night...

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    Not because he's dead, and the greatest musician that ever lived, but because we're all dead, eventually. That's the point I'm making; it doesn't matter. Call it nihilism, I call it realism.

    Yes, I understand that this thread is about CC and we should stick to that, but humans are weird and we tend to diverge.

    And why did you say "Regards to you wibby"? Just curious. Or is that like saying: "just saying"?

    Trouble runs, far away, in the night.
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    toiletrolltube wrote:
    And why did you say "Regards to you wibby"? Just curious. Or is that like saying: "just saying"?

    It's like a more casual way of saying "yours sincerely"

    Let's now get this train back on the rails. (sorry Fred) smile


    I am the thing that goes bump in the night...

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    Headphaze, well, I missed out on the whole wibby thing smile But, right back at ya.

    Trouble runs, far away, in the night.
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    Can freesound possibly auto embed text-based data for .wav or other formats? i.e username/title of. I think that might be a huge help for a lot of users and help with licensing without the bother of actually typing/attributing. (Come to think of it, even license, or is that just too mad). Some people add this manually as I've noticed in my editor. Another question is, does this data remain when mixed with video or audio? I kind of doubt it. But it should, and that is kind of outside the scope of this site. Still, good as a first step, and it should be mandatory (wrong word, perhaps) for those that are concerned about licenses.

    Back to DrNI's post, I don't understand why anywone should have to pay for anything that comes from Freesound. Or maybe I'm missing something about live performances. Hope this helps. BTW, CC is great also.

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    Phew...! For a moment I was getting paranoid as to why peoples were talking about me!

    Anyway, fond thoughts to you all, especially toiletroltube. Hang on in there man.

    Regards, Wibby

    Headphaze wrote:
    toiletrolltube wrote:
    And why did you say "Regards to you wibby"? Just curious. Or is that like saying: "just saying"?

    It's like a more casual way of saying "yours sincerely"

    Let's now get this train back on the rails. (sorry Fred) smile

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    strangely_gnarled wrote:
    Phew...! For a moment I was getting paranoid as to why peoples were talking about me!

    Anyway, fond thoughts to you all, especially toiletroltube. Hang on in there man.

    Regards, Wibby

    Headphaze wrote:
    toiletrolltube wrote:
    And why did you say "Regards to you wibby"? Just curious. Or is that like saying: "just saying"?

    It's like a more casual way of saying "yours sincerely"

    Let's now get this train back on the rails. (sorry Fred) smile


    Wibby, or yours sincerely. I'm still quite confused about that. Or Headphaze is just messing with our head phases. I almost wondered about what "sorry fred" meant, like it was a strange inference. Then, silly me, I realized it was about Mr. Font.

    I will hang on Mr. Wibby, I will hang on...

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    Its all a conspiracy


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    Hi all,

    Yes the conversation has diverged a bit but this is not bad wink
    I see here lots of interesting points which are valuable for what we want to achieve with Audio Commons. I'll try to clarify a little bit.

    What we want to do is to further promote the use of CC audio in all kinds of environments, amateur and professional. We're are aware (and so does people at Creative Commons) that there are difficulties when dealing with licenses and many different points of view about them. For example, one of the biggest problems which prevents the use of CC audio content (such as that on Freesound) in commercial applications is that there exist no clear guidelines about how should someone get a license for using a sound which originally is CC-BY-NC. In regards to that, the goal in Audio Commons would be to establish easy and clear procedures to get this license. We are conducting research about what would be the best way in which this could be achieved, and in a mid-term future we'd like Freesound users to have a way to license their sounds to producers that need to use the sound with a different license than that chosen by the uploader (see for example Jamendo + Jamendo licensing model). Would you find that interesting?

    Obviously the use and "well functioning" of CC licenses is subject to "fair play", and it is true that in many cases people is using sounds from Freesound without respecting the licenses. However this is more of a moral/political issue and what we're primarily aiming is at proposing a technological solution that should ultimately also have an impact on the political issue.

    However, besides the licensing aspects, the survey that was posted in this thread was oriented to get feedback about how creators working with CC audio would like to search/browse and integrate CC audio in their productions. An important goal of Audio Commons is to improve the ways in which CC content can be browsed and retrieved (e.g., improving organisation of sounds, automatic annotation, manual annotation) so that it becomes more useful and integrated in current production workflows (e.g., be able to retrieve sound effects directly from Freesound via an audio plug-in). Part of this integration could include dealing with licensing to making it easier to comply with CC terms.

    Hopefully this clarifies a bit the context and introduces new elements for discussion smile

    Cheers,

    frederic
    the freesound team
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    I thought it best to put something here rather than do the survey as I am a teacher who found your site while searching for a great way for my students to access decent sound bites for projects they work on in iMovie and garage band.
    The kids are only young and at this stage won't use it that much, but teaching them to be ethical in their use of the internet and what they can access is of utmost importance.
    So, I guess really I want to thank you for the opportunity to show them what they can access through the right sites and not have them constantly using the same standard stuff that comes with their software, or nicking sound bites from other places.
    CC content is invaluable to people like me and I know my students will be going on to be responsible users.
    Thanks
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